User:Yami Michael/Archive

Caps on abilities
I noticed you've been changing the 2nd caps on abilities like Triple breaker and such. If you notice, the English cards all had the second word in the ability in lower-case. For consistency, it just makes more sense. That's why I've been doing it that way. Blackworm Bloodworm 13:14, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, your right, ill probably revert the ones ive changed. It just...bugs me, haha. Shield trigger is the same way. CCGDB is also the same way, with it having the Breaker or Trigger in capitals. Not really something thats really effected me till now, in either usage, it both redirects to the same section on the card mechanics. Yami_Michael 13:19, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Right now im more concerned on cleaning up any other errors and getting the last cards missing onto the wiki in the next 70 days or w/e, plenty of other time to debate whether Triple Breaker or Triple breaker seems better.
 * Also, I use the — markup code hyphen instead of a normal hyphen, to make things like "Vortex evolution - " more true to the original cards. Just explaing my reasoning in hopes that you'll agree. And yeah, I kinda figured it was a pet peeve, so I can't blame you. By the way, there's also a lot of incorrect things in CCGDB, but that's why we're here to make the improvement. Blackworm Bloodworm 13:23, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree on the priorites. I'll make the changes in the mean time, if you don't want to. Blackworm Bloodworm 13:26, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, guess I have more small pet peeves like that then I thought. Never really understood why the TCG went with the lowercase on breaker, the capital just makes it seem more dramatic somehow. Im fine with the other — and the black square/circles used on effects, just not used to using them yet. Like I said, right now I just want the cards up and running and then can look into things like that. Ill have to start getting used to having them copied to put them in the pages. And yes, ccgdb does have errors, but thats what the wiki is for, to fix things like that, and including things ccgdb cant have.
 * If you want to go back on the english cards and put them back to breaker, go ahead. Im sure if you checked any of the cards ive added in the past few months though, a lot most likely have "Breaker" rather then "breaker". If we had more people on the wiki, I would do a vote or something. I do try to keep this wiki english-focused when possible, but thats obviously difficult with OCG having so much more other content. Yami_Michael 13:29, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Can u help me? I have planned to write the Duel Masters PS game's page. The sooner you help, the earlier I'll start. And please inform me on how one can become an administrator of a wiki? Thanks(08:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC))
 * Basically someone like me would have to promote you to admin. Seeing as you havent even been seen by me before, it might take a while. Yami_Michael 09:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Official Translations"
I found on these deck boxes (Scroll down and holycrapIwantthosesleeves) that the actual name for Bolbalzak "Sword Flash" Dragon appears to be "Bolbalzack Shiden Dragon". That, in turn would make every "Sword Flash" creature a "Shiden" creature, and possibly include Swordflash Galaxy, Super Champ (Shiden Galaxy) in that archetype. It would also mean that anything with "Bolbalzak" in its name (spelled the same in the JP name) would instead have "Bolbalzack" in their names.
 * And seeing that Saga, the Almighty Creator is apparently supposed to be "Creator Saga", I'm guessing that means Saga, God of Destruction would also have to be "Destroyer Saga". What do you think?

Also, I found on this deck box (I want those too) it appears that the entire Romanoff archetype is actually called "Romanov", and that the "Wicked" gods in Mad Rock Chester are actually "Evil" gods.

I know this would take a lot of work to change, but I'm just letting you know about it. It seems to be a credible translation. Blackworm Bloodworm 17:21, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Theres been a few like that, Suva would be Suvh if I went with those. The other gears and the like for Bolbal do have Shiden as the googletranslated name, and same with the romanov. I think what im going to need to do is add another section for OCG names, with their Phonetic translation. Translations with DM are just such a pain as nothing will ever be official which is why I was unsure whether to change the names we had already on cards we knew from ccg and whatever. Ill find some other examples later. 121.219.160.62 17:14, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * But these seem to be official, just saying. These products are made be TakaraTomy themselves, if I'm not mistaken. As always, I'd be willing to do it if you think it's too much of a hassle. I just need to know how. Blackworm Bloodworm 17:20, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ugh, stupid edit conflict. Lost my huge post on examples. Either way, while official, some are also very engrish. http://dm.takaratomy.co.jp/product/goods/case16/index.html would be ok...but http://dm.takaratomy.co.jp/product/goods/case03/index.html is just terrible. I can kinda see some like http://dm.takaratomy.co.jp/product/goods/case05/index.html with the Uber however. Ill have to think about all this I guess. Yami_Michael 17:25, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also changes a few cards with Samurai in their name to musha.

For the "http://dm.takaratomy.co.jp/product/goods/case03/index.html" example, is it really that much different from what we have now? {C As far as Samurai vs. Musha goes, I don't really care either way. 'Musha' means 'Warrior' in Japanese, but I think they would just call it 'Musha', since if you notice, most of the time with creatures that have part of their name in katakana, that part of the name is translated as-is, as romaji. It would be a 'corrected' Phonetic translation. This confuses me sometimes; as I can't tell if creatures that have "Rasetsu" in their names are supposed to be changed to "Rakshasa" etc... most names like that are familiar to the JP audience anyway so i think it was intentional. I can't find any english counterparts so far that follow that pattern. Blackworm Bloodworm 17:55, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Svah is justifiable. Uber has always been Über in the TCG, and any card whose JP name is spelled the same as an English, for example, "Überdragon", would more than likely be Über as well.

"Arc" or "Arch" Seraphim?
Just wanted to let you know that the entire race of "Arc Seraphim" should actually be called "Arch Seraphim" (A little research makes this an obvious minor mistranslation) But since it'll be a pain in the ass, it can wait.

The same oversight occured with the "Feathernoid" race, but I explained it in that article's Talk Page. Blackworm Bloodworm 03:07, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

~ The feathernoid I'm fine with changing, some of ccgdb did have feathernoid for a while, but later changed it to featheroid and I assumed that was the corrected one. Need to grab the kanji for arc seraphim for its page any, so ill take a look. Yami_Michael 03:14, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, my reasoning for "Arch Seraphim" is that, obviously, they are based on the biblical Seraphim. An Archangel (pronounced ARK Angel) is a high-ranking angel. The term "Arch" in this case has the same spelling (アーク) as the current "Arc" we have, but with this reasoning "Arch" makes more sense. You should be able to find more info, including the JP page, on Wikipedia. Blackworm Bloodworm 06:45, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds fine to me, while I'm not religious, I did know about the seraphim, but never put the Arch-angel thing together. Makes perfect sense to me. Which wikipedia page though? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark ? Like i've said many times before, I know nothing about translations at all, but I seemed to be getting arch (アーチ) and arc (アーク).

Yami_Michael 22:47, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's probably because the arch you were looking at (Like a stone arch) isn't pronounced the same way arch as in archangel. (pronounced the same as arc and ark) {C Since translation to and from Japanese is primarily phonetic, it makes sense it would be spelled アーク to represent that sound. Blackworm Bloodworm 01:57, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Right, you did mention earlier that even our english pronounciation on it is ark-angel (/ˌɑrk.ˈeɪndʒəl/) to be exact, so yeah, we can change this one too. Yami_Michael 02:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and since I finally found it: for further evidence, in this article on the first line, you'll see this: "（アーケインジェル）" Blackworm Bloodworm 02:05, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, did you see my post on the Poseidia Dragon discussion page? What a pain, huh. Blackworm Bloodworm 04:07, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw it the while ago. Not much we can do about it. In some cases, do you think it would sound better if the "Light/Blue Divine Dragon" was at the end of the card name? I know it can vary with translating and how names are ordered, but theres also Terradragon/Necrodragons going at the start. Ugh. Such a pain. Something like "蒼神龍チェンジ・ザ・ワールド " translates to Change the World Ryuuzin Blue, but the name used (on ccgdb/wherever) is Change the World, Blue Divine Dragon. But then you look at other ones like 蒼神龍メルローズガルブ and you get Blue Ryuuzin Merurozugarubu, which is how we have it with Blue Divine Dragon Melrosgalb, so we currently are using both. Yami_Michael 04:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

We should put them in front of the actual name for now, as a reminder of the fact that all of those races have it that same way. As for Melrosgalb's name, I think Melrosegarb is a better translation of the name (You don't have a problem with me changing it, do you? Here's my phonetic evidence; Also, search Melrose in EN.) And assuming my Dragon titles are what wizards would've made them, it's full name would be close to "Aquadragon Melrosegarb". I think that flows nicely; and in Dragons like "Blue Divine Dragon Spell Grand Blue", the redundance of 'Blue' in the name makes it sound weird, know what I mean? Blackworm Bloodworm 17:58, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * When using the literal Japanese translation of the title, it sounds better at the end. However, we know the title isn't supposed to be at the end from the pattern represented in the English translation. It is shown that each civilization's dragon race has a unique title in the form of "***dragon". We only know for a fact Darkness, Fire, and Nature's dragon titles; with three examples thus far, it's easy to infer Light and Water follow the same pattern as well. Of course, the only problem is that we don't know what world would be used in front of dragon. I used my best judgment on the Poseidia Dragon Talk Page's examples.

Changing to Melrose is fine. Theres a few Poseidias (such as Change the World), that will have to have their names re-ordered.
 * Shame they dont have a list of names like this on the English site, haha. Or they got to a set with these dragons at least. >_>
 * I know it's a long shot, but one of us could potentially email whichever of Wizards' departments was in charge of the translations and just calmly ask them what they would've called those dragons had they got to them. Same goes for any other questionable card. Just an idea. Blackworm Bloodworm 19:40, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thats crossed my mind once or twice. Doubt they have anyone even watching the DM part of the site, let alone that did translations. I know there's been other messages sent to them for various "comeback to eng" with no response, but I guess you never know.

Heres something you might like: http://duelmastersglobal.forumprofi.de/view-topic-arc-h-seraphim-t661.html#5381. Havent responded to it yet. Yami_Michael 22:32, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. The Jeanne D'Arc argument would make sense if only it was spelled differently. It's more likely there was a Jeanne D'Arc reference in one of these cards that we simply overlooked (Maybe a Mecha Del Sol). But that's not important right now. I'll put it in the trivia when I find it. Blackworm Bloodworm 23:46, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Aesthetic Overhaul
I've been planning to give the wiki an aesthetic enhancement for quite some time now. I was going to start with changing the way the cards on set articles are listed, making them more like the DM main site and thus, more user-friendly. This will be tedious, but I've already finished the basic table for the base set main page.

I would like to change the page background and wiki wallpaper, as well as the side bar and make it more flavorful. For now, the wallpaper would be temporary, but it's better than what we have now, I think you'll agree.

In order to do all this, and show you my idea, I'd need you to give me administator privileges. I'll leave that decision up to you, if you deem I'm trustworthy enough.

If you could give me your email, I could send you a .TXT containing the code for the table so you can preview it on the Base set page or wherever (The code is a bit messy, but manageable). My email is: BlackwormSDeath@gmail.com

Blackworm Bloodworm 01:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * That reminds me, ive been needing to show you http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Blog%3AWikia_Staff_Blog. It brings in a few worries, as they will removing the current skins wikia's use, while replacing it with a new skin called "Wikia" that will be put on each wiki. The .css file for getting ready for it has already been added recently to this wiki, currently only the 5 wikis (Glee, Twilight, Red Dead Wiki, Muppet Wiki, and Healthy Recipes) are currently using the new format. While there has been many protests by users (check the comments on each blog post they do, its rare to find anyone happy with it that isn't a wiki staff. I'm currently waiting until it can be shown on this wiki till I make the complete judgment on the new skin.]\


 * About that... Are they making that crappy new skin mandatory? Because all the wikis using customized monobook (Which we'd need to use), like the Tron wiki and Uncyclopedia, will all be very angry. If you can save a copy of this wikis layout and everything on it or something like that, then please do. If there's a chance we can revert or keep our current layout, it'd be crucial to keep all the data of it. Blackworm Bloodworm 03:17, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I will have to find the exact post, but theres been a FAQ post once or twice that should have it. If memory serves though, thinks like Monaco/monobook are gone. Its gonna be a mandatory thing, even forcing us to accept the new Terms of use and all that crap. You should be able to save the current css file, rather then the one edited a few days ago (will have to search the recent changes from the last week or so, I left a talk page on it.)


 * When you say you want the cards listed similar to the main DM site? You refer to how the card database shows the set contents in the grid format? Like something like the http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Set_Card_Lists:Legend_of_Blue_Eyes_White_Dragon_%28TCG-NA%29 page?


 * Do you have a link to the wallpaper you have in mind for the site? I could test it out and see if it works.


 * I do trust you, specially considering the only other editors we really have is random contributors (Usually us, heh), or at times Tersos as well. Only other real contributor has been Gadjiltron, and those arent often. Right now I'll leave the user rights as they are, as I am waiting for the new skin. Any files you want to show though can be emailed to I guess, Ill probably take the link out in a few days, to avoid other spam. Yami Michael 02:33, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * ok, and hoooly crap. They took the english site down. http://duelzone.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8324&p=80221#p80221. As you can see in my post though, we can use http://web.archive.org/web/20080212051457/www.wizards.com/duelmasters/dmdb.asp however.
 * God, what BS... You're dead on about the chances of revival going down the tubes. At least they kept the english card database. Blackworm Bloodworm 03:17, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally surprised me when I went to go look at it to remember it completely, but at least the waybackmachine site works. Glad I finally had a use for that site, rarely get to. 124.181.214.123 04:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously those edits were really me, and I have a lot of the staff blog to read. Havent read it in a few days, and theres thousands of comments to read through by people against the change, the recent FAQ at least has them acknowledge people are against it, but they still dont care. I never saw wikia as a faceless corporation of sorts, but it certainly feels like it when you read through it all. Yami Michael 04:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

How to see Lists of Races/Civs
I was wondering if there is a list composed of the names of all the cards in a cerain civilization and/or race. If so please can you post a link. Thanks.

Use the http://duelmasters.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Civilization or http://duelmasters.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Race

http://duelmasters.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Nature would have every nature card, and so on.

"Official" Takara Tomy Translations
As you might be aware, some of Takara Tomy's products such as the deck cases has a Creature along with it's name in English on it. An example would be Psychic Suva which has it's name written as "Psychic Svah, the God Riser." This means that what we translate to as "the Awakened," they may do it as "Riser." It's kinda late in the game make that change now, so I'll just add the Takara Tomy English name on the "OCG Name" of the card's page. You'll see that I already did it for Psychic Suva. I'll do it only to the cards who actually have official Takara Tomy translated names.


 * Yeah, its just that sadly changing a few cards like that lead to a few problems, unlike doing it for new cards. Anyone searching for it would know it by the old name (although that can be solved from redirects). Leaving those names in the ocgname section is probably the best way to deal with them though. I think if I went through my archive talk pages, Ive talked with Blackworm about this before, and we listed a few of the other cards had on the deckb cases/sleeves.

Maybe I Should Apologize?
I'm sorry for my previous Psychic Splash translations. Upon seeing Ryoma's, they're pretty different from mine. Though I don't understand the reasoning of some of his(and I am not bashing him here), I do want to apologize if my previous ones have caused any inconsistencies or innacuracies.~BnK.


 * There's no need to apologize or anything like that. Its just a tricky issue when the translations are all technically unofficial, so its harder to decide which ones to use. While I generally try to follow Ryomas due to him doing previous sets, theres still a lot of other things like Terra/Necrodragon, Oracle/Phophet that I end up still changing.

Trust me, I appreciate any translations you do. I just know that it also would end up being less confusing when the ccgcb translations match up with the wiki as much as possible. Trying to get the current sets up there now. Yami Michael 23:32, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay I see. Well, as usual, I'll do my best any way I can to help out.

Antares, the Stinger Assassin to Antares, the Poison Assassin
You might not believe so, but the name was actually more accurate the way it was. 毒針 (dokuhari) refers to, with the closest english translation a | "stinger", or the | "sting" such as that of a hornet (毒針 redirects to that page). Poison would be 毒 (doku) by itself. 針 (hari) is like a needle, or a pin. "Antares, the Sting Assassin" might even be a better name (I called him Stinger Assassin as that seems to be what Wizards would have named him), but either is more accurate than poison. Blackworm Bloodworm 06:46, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yami, what are you doing undoing all my work on DM-39? It looks like your little brother went in and reverted it or something. Seriously, at least give me some reasoning and headway before making any major changes next time, please. Blackworm Bloodworm 23:04, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

- If Ryoma translated it that way then it's fine. I was the one who changed Amaterasu's name. Look, the TCG is done. There's no real reason to stick with those innacurate names anyway. The naming schemes for Mecha Del Sols in the original JP version is "Kōki" which means "Light Weapon." This is the JP version, so it's best to stick to original names for accuracies instead of treating the name the TCG used to use as the be-all end-all flr naming schemes. Some of them were admittedly accurate, but not all. If you have anymore questions, contact me. ~ Brandnewkid, secondary translator; editor(which btw, I'm fixing the old Phoenix saga sets as some cards are still inaccurate).
 * I had done the Amaterasu change a week or so again now, following Ryomas translation. I seem to have 2 different opinions on what to use regarding OCG/TCG naming, and each time I change it to one, it seems to change again. I did fix the gallery to use the other "sting" for Antares, but I havent been doing the back and forth for Amaterasu. Yami Michael 03:50, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm genuinely confused about that because the naming pattern for Mecha Del Sols had been established a long time ago. It's not like her title is spelled any differently than the other non-evolution ones. On the bright side, changing Mir Spark to Miele Spark and the creature its named after conversely, had never crossed my mind. The Great Mecha King and the Initiate with those names are one in the same, so that's definitely a more accurate translation, props to that. One thing you might want to look at though, are Kankuro and Khancrow. That edit to his name does not coincide with your earlier decisions to anything w/ his name. I'm fine w/ either, but either call them all "Khancrow", or call them all "Kankuro"; inconsistency is the enemy. - 76.235.200.181 04:44, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless I missed something on a card, everything was changed to Kankuro now. Ive been very careful with any edits recently making sure any page that has a card listed gets changed to reduce any un-needed redirects. If a card like the "Mir Spark" got changed, I would make sure both the dm-39 set and its dm-39 gallery got changed. Ill have to look into the Amaterasu thing more.

Thank You
Hey, Yami. It's really nice to see that the wiki I started so long ago has come this far relatively quickly, even getting mention on TV Tropes of all places! Anyway, I'm proud of the work you have put into maintaining the wiki and letting grow as it did. Keep it up, I'm proud that something I started actually ended up being a success!

EHeroFlareNeos 03:41, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I put it on http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWikiRule, but no clue who did http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DuelMasters.

Glad it grew like this as well. :P Yami Michael 11:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Just had to mention
Most likely thanks to Solar Rabit, but http://supersolenoid.blog63.fc2.com/blog-entry-713.html had mentioned both this and the HK wiki. Makes me glad to be mentioned. Just wish I could communicate with them. :P Yami Michael 11:17, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm ... If I can get some contact information, I can work out a way we can establish contact with them. Same goes for the Hong Kong wiki. I am kinda knowledgable in Chinese. ~ BnK

Edit: It appears that the Korean version of Duel Masters is called "Duel Legend" and is as recent as the Japanese version? Sweet to see that the game is still flourishing in Asia.


 * Yeah, I tried to post a comment to the blog in English and then google translation, but when I put the translation back in english...it was a bit Engrish, haha.

I had heard a while ago that it was Duel Legend, and had the card art for the white bordered Bolshack Dragon for a while now, but I had issues navigating the rest of their forums to look around, but it was too much to translate and browse. :P

Solar rabit that I mentioned earlier has done a few fixes here as a user, and do significant work on HK wiki, since they even use my image-naming and similar cardtables (which is a good thing!). Yami Michael 16:26, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Episode Scripts
So, I did the script for episode 1 and you can view it on it's page. However, I ask that no one may edit the episode scripts and summaries without your or my consent along with a decent explanation for the change(s).


 * After the scripts are done, I could lock them so anonymous users cant edit. I know there was minor things for the script I might change (Katta to Katsuda), and just testing formatting. Guess I have a few new things to test around on the wiki. :P

Suggestion For Card Pages
I suggest that on cards that are OCG-only, we rename the "OCG Name" portion of the template to "Literal Name."

This is because having "OCG Name" on cards that are from the OCG implies that there is an official TCG version of it, especially since a lot of cards are translated using TCG naming schemes. Or would that be a bit much considering the number of card pages we have?


 * I will be testing a few new things or trying a new cardtable regarding this. I already have 2 basic tables, "table2" with most details, and "table3" that also fits in the ocgeffect (It has a list of what cards use which table, so I know if the card is "complete" or not).

Similar to the Yugioh tables, I want to see if I can make a distinction for Kanji/Kana, or in the very least, 2 separate lines for the OCG name. Probably Kanji and Translated/Literal Name. Yami Michael 04:12, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Artist galleries
What do you think of the idea of adding a gallery page for every artist to this wiki? It should list every card which's artwork was designed by that artist (including alternate artworks, if the artwork changed totally).

Of course that could imply some work. Tersos 10:44, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Getting each artist linked is easy enough, categorising each card with the artist would take way too much tho.


 * A simple way of doing it would be just change the card table to autolink the info in artist, however when dealing with cards from multiple sets that either have the set number, or other artists, it would add into a few issues.

On each artist page, even before creation, it can be easily seen with "whatlinkshere" to see cards done by the artist, so compiling lists (and as a result, galleries) of cards done by each artist. Its only just recently after getting the missing promo/early-dmc packs that this could even work well. Of course, even though I had recently started to add each set to early cards to show each release, I did kinda skip over additional artists (And flavor, but a lot arent findable in text form, I've looked).

Since pictures would be easily added in either slideshow/regular gallery, designing those pages are easy at least. One thing that might help though is I have a few important bookmarks. Some are actual sites ran by the artists, and theres also another "DM artist wiki" that has links to their webpages, which is of course where a lot of the specific card arts come from.

When im not lazy, I'll get them off the laptop and post them here or whatever. Ill probably even make a test page, and try to get the page design down. In the worst case, I might have to just add some form of "artist1/2/3" to the card table. Lots to do, lots to do, and im rambling.

edit: Of course, there is the option of manually searching a card artist and adding " " around each artist and doing it that way, but that also has the option of being slow. And we are talking about 4-5k cards here... Yami Michael 12:18, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thx for your permission. I will add artist categories. i will work maybe for 1 small race in 2 days and some cards that i accidentally seeing. P.S sorry for my bad english WereborG 14:18, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually told you to stop adding the artist, and was going to see if there was a much faster way with the card tables. Yami Michael 01:18, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Spirit/Elemental
This wikia often varies between using Spirit (Five Star, Spirit of Luck, Sun's Creed, Spirit of Revelation) and Elemental (Marsyas, Sun Elemental, Silk Do Gyupel, Protection Elemental) for OCG only Angel Commands. We need more consistency here, unless the OCG names actually do translate to both "Spirit" and "Elemental". BlitzerRyuusei 19:51, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll have to check out the kanji for the cards and take a look when I can, although I'm sure BNK can probably explain it. Yami Michael 03:26, July 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very late, but I just want to note that in regards to the JP Angel Commands, the OCG uses "Spirit" and not "Elemental." There isn't any Japanese word that means "Elemental" as far as I know.

The thing is, with DM we have to either aim for accuracy or consistency. We know for a fact that the English game had many inaccuracies in regards to translations. Some cards even had their effects altered entirely. When I say things were inaccurate, I'm not referring to stuff such as "Uberdragon" instead of "Super Dragon," I'm referring to things like "Vizier" instead of "Apostle." If anyone here knows what a "Vizier" is, then they would agree with me in that that is probably one of the most inaccurate and non-sensical translations that WoTC did in their time of DM. My point is, it's either we go for being consistent with WoTC's inaccuracies or accurate with the OCG. Personally, I rather go for the OCG's accuracy seeing how, y'know, ''it's the OCG. ''

However, this isn't my Wiki so that's why I ask you. Either way, I'll still translate and help out where needed, so just lemme know. - Bnk

Brandnewkid, remember to sign your posts.

Personally, for the TCG cards I'd have the TCG names take precedent, but for OCG cards I'd have the OCG naming schemes take priority. This means stuff like Drapi, Green Divine Dragon and Pandeeta, Windbreaking Apostle. This wiki's rather inconsistent with having TCG or OCG naming scheme priority (we name all of the OCG Mecha Del Sols "Light Weapon" rather than "Channeler of Suns", but of course there's the Divine Dragon thing for Zombie Dragons and Earth Dragons.) BlitzerRyuusei 01:14, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's hard to be consistent when random each cards of this different naming was done, its not an easy decision to make, haha.

It probably might be best if its left with the TCO/Ryoma translation though, so there's consistency between sites as well. We would still have other corrections or naming fixes for older cards here, just there should be less Apostle/Vizier, Weapon/Channelor and so on re-directs.

If also thought of using the OCG naming on pages...but then also including the "English Naming" of the card on the page. Either in some form of template box, or in the cardtable somewhere. Just wasn't sure where/how exactly. Yami Michael 13:44, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys i have read your conversation and i have an idea, even though i am not very good with cards names and not a translator either but what yami said in the last sentence about adding both names on the template is the best solution and i think it can be done. I got an idea by looking at the page yugioh wikia we can do the same but we can do it a little differently. First will be the translated name of OCG or TCG i think you both should decide which one as a big heading underneath it should be written its Japanese name in Japanese should be written in the same font size like the original heading name and on the third line underneath it should be written its other TCG or OCG name but in a smaller font size in this way it will be all clear.

To understand this further please look at this link i am giving it to you just see how they have written and then read my text and see if we can actually pull it off. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number_34:_Terror-Byte. Also this can only be done with the Japanese cards and The English cards will have to be remain the same. Saad safa 16:45, August 15, 2011 (UTC)Saad Safa.

Artwork
Artwork can all be found here.

Card Images
how your making the duel masters card? i mean how you remove the text and stuff and your making in high resolution the picture?

Generally its taken from the http://gathe.jp site. http://gathe.jp/cardlist_dmr01.html for example is DMR-01. I take the image, save it, and then in paint use the "crop" and then "resize". Yami Michael 06:23, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

How much do you re-size it, and how you do it so clean and digital?

Nothing special, just the crop feature. You just dont notice the blue corners as much when its smaller. If you want pictures for your own use though...you should use http://dm.ka-nabell.com/ instead.

That site has the best quality pictures I've seen so far and since I've made my cardtable to automatically resize images for the wiki, I can use them without editing. Have to test though.

For resizing, its usually me changing the "Pixels" section to Horizontal: 310 and keeping on Maintain aspect ratio. The vertical slightly differs at times, but its usually between 430-440.

What do you want these images for, anyhow? Yami Michael 12:34, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I just want to make some pictures of them and i want them for wallpaper on my pc :D Btw, do you know if this creature is Duel Masters? http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~t.com/514.jpg


 * No. Its a Battle Spirits card. http://a367.yahoofs.com/hkblog/Er2CDLGZERqsiirt4VfvGdRZMA--_2/blog/ap_20100915064632110.jpg?ib_____DtFCkazzc Yami Michael 05:20, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Question on Ultimate Evolution MAX issues
Can you evolve an Ultimate Evolution MAX on another Ultimate Evolution MAX? Just wondering, since I'm using three of them in my deck.

http://www.geocities.jp/kikira23rt/framepage1.html

Put in bz tapped
You are actually right, they do translate to "card". Just for all the english cards and then later translations (pre-wiki even), they were changed to Creature/Spell for each rainbow card all ready, and I just kind of went with it. Blame the OCG text not being specific enough. :) Yami Michael

Waileuk Wu
Hi, I am Waileuk Wu, sometimes usually around as a bystander who corrects random stuff. Blitzer kinda recruited to start on DMX 04,05, and I guess I am going to attempt it. Hm, it seems like I am unable to grab the pictures off of <>, though I guess we can wait till Gathe or Takara Tommy releases the cards. Then also the DMX 04, 05 page is locked to prevent edits, and I can't link my pages to it. Might need some help with that as well. Thanks!

Waileukwu 11:35, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've seen your name around on TCO, so hey. And since I've seen random editors making little fixes here and there...thanks and welcome to the wiki. :)

I can change the lock to registered users, didn't notice I limited it to Admins. Yami Michael 12:37, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Gotta Say ....
I'm not too fond of people overriding the changes I make at times. I understand that I may make slight mistakes here and there, but it kind of irks me when these 'translators' jump the gun to run the popular Dragon or Angel Commands in the latest set through a Japanese dictionary just to come up with the card name, but then run to me because they want an actual translator to fetch them the card's effect. It's kind of disrespectful, but I don't want to start any problems on this Wiki. Just wanted to vent that a bit. As this goes without saying, the only other translator whose word I put above anyone elses when it comes to DM is Ryoma.☆ Brandnewkid 18:24, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, It's completely understandable. Translations can definitely seem to be a "finnicky" business sometimes, especially when one kanji can mean either Soul or Spirit, lol. Or the recent "Gil/Gill" thing I've been looking at. With so few people here, I obviously dont want to lose anyone that knows what they are doing. Yami Michael 00:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

thanks, and...
Thanks for fixing all the minor stuff after me...I knew I did a lousy job, and all those minor details, gosh it must be though to start ploughing through the mess I created? Hm...and is Brandnewkid mad at me? I might have tried a bit too hard to provide what I think is the correct names of the creature, didn't I? Oh well. At least we got some creatures down for the two sets. Now all we have to do is wait for the rest :P Waileukwu 18:40, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its ok, fixing things up like that is the whole reason for the wikis anyway. Easily editable and so forth. Being fans and not WOTC, its impossible we will ever get the "right" translations, so dont feel bad about it. Not to mention, before release some card details end up changing a bit, so its easy to make minor mistakes like this and I've had my fair few. Yami Michael 23:53, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Psychics
I was just wondering that why are we saying." This card can whatever do this or that".

I think it should be more practical to say. "This creature can whatever this or that".

What do you think?

For example: If you take Don Marshmallow, Hand of Temptation and say This card is the Psychic Link Awakened form of Zabi Polymer, Marshmallow Doll and Gil Polymer's Pliers.

My point is that they are actually two cards being used here and combined to form one creature not one card. -Saad safa 12:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Saad_Safa.

As I had on your page, I couldn't decide on whether to use "card", "creature" or "psychic creature" for that. "creature" should be fine. And just like the commas on the awakened cards, they shouldn't be needed on the lesser sides either. Now just for a quick way to change all the pages at once. :)

About Artist
It might be frown upon, but is it fine to do a section (and pages) on artists for Duel Master? The art of DM always thrilled me beyond its other components :3 Waileukwu 16:16, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its something that's in the work, I just need/want a lot of other links to the artists homepages rather then just 3/4.

These aren't sorted by artist as I had to clean them up and rename after they were uploaded, but this is what I have.

http://duelmasters.wikia.com/wiki/User:Yami_Michael/Artwork

If you meant a page for each artist or a list of cards each artist has done for it, that's also something I want at some point. Just always a lot of other things to do. Yami Michael 23:45, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like such a page too. I love the art in DM more than anything else. But, finding information about the artists like that (well, Wikipedia-styled info, if that's what you're going for) would be kinda hard, no? ☆ Brandnewkid 04:16, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Doing a complete info writeup about each artist would be a bit much, because even If I had the info...it would leave you translating it, lol. So yeah, not going to do that. I was really just thinking of a setup similar to the Promotional Gallery page with either different artist galleries (If an artist has a lot of art) on the same or different pages.

I guess that brings another question too, do we want them for just the artworks or the cards themselves? Or a mix of both? Yami Michael 05:35, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I personally op for page for both. Like a page on the Artists (major ones anyway), then bellow it are cards he/she drawn, similar to JP DM Wiki that have some sort of page for the major artists. I don't mind to write about the artists themselves, but would have to do some research myself. Waileukwu 06:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * So we are doing it are we? I see the pages added. Waileukwu 13:46, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, what pages do you see added? I haven't done anything artist-related today. Yami Michael 13:49, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually that was a mistake. I saw a page for ittoku and overreacted. Are those the pages are set aside for such purpose? Waileukwu 13:56, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Add DMD and DMX cards to Promo/DMC Only category?
I'm pretty much asking what the headline says. BlitzerRyuusei 04:03, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just gonna look weird, haha. DMD Only and DMX Only would work for now. Kinda late to split promo or DMC only at this point :/ So to sum up...I dont know what to do. Yami Michael 05:32, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Dreamwave + Promotional
Need the other Dreamwave cards badly!

Jp translated names of creatures
Lately got a card box from takaratomy (official), and they have creatures printed all over. Under the creatures (or around), they seem to give an English name, such Jack Raidou, Battle Dragon they named it 'Dragonborn Fighter Jack Raidoh'. Shall we add that as Trivia or just ignore them all together? Other examples include 'Dragon Moon of Universe' for Drag Moon, the Enlightened. Waileukwu 07:50, November 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * It has been bought up a few times because of the sleeves and deckboxes for Psychic Suva and Valkyias Musashi. Its great to have 5 names for 1 card, lol.

What was done for Valkyrias Musashi, Ultimate Battle Dragon is what will probably done for those cards with sleeves/boxes. Shrug. Maybe I should poll if they should go in that kanji area, or as a trivia thing. Yami Michael 08:10, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

ShoPro Card Images
Yami, make sure you keep those large card images I uploaded from the ShoPro site somewhere safe, or at least make sure they are still accessible, as I've noticed you've been replacing a lot of them with scans. The reason for this being they are still the highest quality images of those cards, and more importantly they no longer exist on the ShoPro site, meaning they are not obtainable anywhere anymore. Keep this in mind, please. I don't really have the time to personally go back and save them all myself. -- Blackworm Bloodworm 15:34, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I should be able to find them easily enough by going through your contributions, I hope I haven't got rid of any by mistake. While I like the other scans I'm currently using..that's usually because of the bigger size which allows the text to be clearer when seeing the full image. Ill see what I can do about saving those images. Yami Michael 15:38, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Spell Cards
Hi Michael,

I wanted to ask this for a while can these spell cards also be segregated or divided into their own civilizations. My reason being is i usually search for cards a lot for the characters who use these cards in the anime and Spell Cards are hardest to find and sometimes even impossible and i end up forgetting or stop searching for the card i was looking for.

I know there is a category of them but still there are a lot of them and i don't remember their names because in the anime they use different names and there are 32 pages of these cards to scroll and check through it will be a lot easier and simpler if they were in their own civilizations i can just easily catch them in their civilizations and i don't need to spend whole day looking for a single card, it is very tiring and difficult. If i could find these cards at any faster i can put more information for the rest of the characters faster as well.

Thank You i will seriously appreciate if you look into this situation and if asked i will gladly help out as well.Saad safa 23:34, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

As it stands right now, there's not really much I can do that for wiki-wide. Setting up new categories would be a mess, and while I have wanted a search-like function for categories a while now...where I could find cards that are like "Light+Spell" or "Nature+2000" and so on...that takes a lot of coding that I dont even know how to do.

I've glanced over the yugioh wiki code for bits of it, but its extremely confusing, and they also have a lot more to work on it. Frankly, some stuff like http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Browse?title=Special%3ABrowse&article=Dark+Magician also just makes it messy on each page.

If the cards are from older sets anyway, just use http://www.ccgdb.com/duelmasters or http://www.tradecardsonline.com/im/selectCard/game_id/33/goal/. Should make things easier, I hope. Yami Michael 10:42, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok i will try to manage with these pages you have given to me. But still there should be a way to make things simple not just for me but for other viewers as well and also in the future these cards will increase even more. I will let you know if i have any ideas over it. And yeah you are right it does not look very easy to manage these. Thank you for looking into this matter. I really appreciate it. Saad safa 14:56, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about the categories suggestion. If only 6 category can be made and added under each speel card to which they belong to. Like "Light Spell", "Fire Spell". "Water Spell", "Nature Spell", "Darkenss Spell" and "Rainbow Spell" if these categories are there one can just got to this category and scroll throu the cards in there it will be a lot better for at least browsin or scrolling purpose if not for proper searching. This way they can be at least found more quickly. I don't think we need any thing like complex coding to deal with this situation. Simple categories will solve it and i hardly think that adding one extra category in these pages would make things messy. As a matter of fact we can use these same category in there own civilization pages as well. Saad safa 21:23, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Shobu Kirifuda I was working on this page for over 6 to 7 hours i had all the decks from all the series in it but someone edited it my work was too big to merge it all my hard work has gone to waste!!!!!! there were over 8 new decks i made. After this the decks of Shobu were done. I will restart my work in the afternoon tomorrow i am very tired and disapointed now.


 * If that was my editing hours ago, sorry. I seem to have been the only one that had edited it in the last day. I had no error messages, and didn't know you were in the middle of one. Yami Michael 05:39, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thanx
Thanx for fixing my stories with better grammar.

I was just wondering is it possible for us to have the drop down deck list. Like the ones in Yugioh wiki and Cardfight Vanguard wiki. It will be very helpful because you can curently see for some of the characters there are many decks and also on games pages as well. Otherwise if we just keep adding the long lists of cards the pages will just get longer and longer.

Types of God Link
In the anime the God Link had different names for the different number of Gods:


 * God Link: 2 Gods
 * Tri-God Link: 3 Gods (like Heavy Death Metal)
 * Emporio-God Link: 4 Gods. (Instead of "Quadro" they used "Emporio")
 * Perfect-God Link: 5 and 6 Gods.

Wave striker
I think i am a little confused here? But i think it clearly says 2 OR (+) not "2(+)", which exactly means 2 and more creatures. Saad safa 04:27, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lets take Angila, Electro-Mask. It only gets its abilities when you have 2 or more "OTHER" cards with wave striker. In order for it to have an effect at all, 3 wave strikers need to be in the battle zone.

If there is only Angila + 1 Wave Striker, they both have no effect. The key word here is "other", it doesnt include itself. So its always 1 wave striker + 2 others = 3 cards. 124.176.225.226 06:18, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm i got your point. Even in the anime i resaw it Benny haha activated their effect after having 3 of the in the battle zone. OK now its all clear. Also you are right i will try to communicate on facebook for more info Duel Masters. Over here i also don't want anything to happen because of my wrong efforts. Saad safa 15:22, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wave Striker is an older mechanic, even I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I had it correct. Simply just confusing on how they wrote the part with "other". Yami Michael 15:28, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gonna start to work on the remmainder of Benny Haha page. Also just wondering is it possible for us to have a template of card table or a card table page may be with all the cards in alphabatical order? Saad safa

I haven't made one, but I have thought about it. I think I had a type of template thing saved somewhere on my pc or the wiki for decks. Jump in the wiki chat, if you can. Yami Michael 15:36, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I a in the chat box now.Saad safa 16:08, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rumble Lecter effect?
Hi, I was looking at the trivia of Rumble Lecter, Terror Awakened and I was wondering if the effect really bypassed Perfect Galaxy, Spirit of Immortality's effect as well as release. Those effects activate when the creatures leave the battle zone, and Rumble's effect says that it destroys and destroying counts as leaving the battle zone, so is the trivia correct? Cause it sounds a bit weird.

IIIIIzz 14:08, January 1, 2012 (UTC)'s

I had to google for the similar thing about it, but http://www.duelzone.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5983&start=10 is the full read.

It basically comes down to the "double substitution" rule. It states that 2 cards with an "instead" of effect cant be chained and used at the same time. Rumble effects goes off first, so Galaxy/Release cant. That's the super short version. Yami Michael 14:52, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

But aren't they subsituting for different things? Rumble's effect subsitutes battling, while Galaxy/Release subsitutes leaving the battle zone.

IIIIIzz 16:57, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont believe it matters. As long as 2 effects both have the word "instead", they cant be chained together. Ill find it later. Yami Michael 16:59, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think it'd help if we had a page for the more advanced rulings. Things such as simultaneous effects, and all that. It's generally unknown to the DM masses how [un]complex the rulings really are. ☆ Brandnewkid 21:47, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It would, yeah. Problem is however except for the ones from the old english and set faq's, I dont know them. Any other card ruling are usually from the setfiles, and even plenty of those haven't been added to the wiki (Or at least, I didn't add them).

It would be great to have an "Advanced Rulings" page, especially with something like http://dm.takaratomy.co.jp/rule/rulechange/index.html shown as well. Oddly, the latest ruling was related to the "instead of" and "substitution" effects. Yami Michael 13:09, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, what if Kaijudo introduces a simple Stack sort of thing! Or a second main phase! (Magic without mana screw is the best game I could imagine existing.) Je2010 15:01, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Adding the Japanese to Term Pages
Is it worthwhile to include the Japanese characters for these crucial game terms on the terms' main pages, aside from them just being on the translation page? I find knowing the Japanese form helps make reading cards easier and faster so I don't have to look up every single card. But when people do have to look them up, it'd be cool if these sorts of game-word pages can sort of immediately ease players into being able to read those key bits of cards, rather than having to be aware of and search out the translation page in order to learn what Draw or whatever looks like in kanji.

Je2010 08:04, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * While I didn't want them on the card mechanics page (Mainly due to length of page...), I'm not against having them just like the civilization pages do.

Just gotta make sure we have the right kanji for Draw. :) Yami Michael 08:19, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I can offer you this line of thought for your consideration: whenever you see 引, you know a draw is being referenced.


 * A simple card to study might be Aqua Hulcus: カードを1枚引いてよい


 * カード (card) を (object of sentence) 1枚 (one thing) 引 (draw) いてよい (you may).


 * The hiragana at the end I can't say for 100% certainty which part means "do it" and which part means "you may," but I know the last two, よい, are definitely a part of communicating the preceding instructions are optional--are the last three the conditional indicator or is it all four? I'm still learning Japanese, and I'm using DM to learn more me-relevant language than what my textbook series is teaching me, so the DM-centric language is coming together based on my understanding of Magic and DM templating and the grammar stuff I learn from the textbook lessons.


 * But in any case, I've seen enough cards to identify that 引 signals card drawing, at least, if that helps...


 * Je2010 16:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Lapsed Player's Perspective Suggesting Amendments
Dear Yami Michael,

Hello, I recently moved to Japan and since nobody is familiar with Magic in my corner of the country, let alone plays it, I've taken up Duel Masters again after having quit after about the third set released in my native US. So from a relatively fresh-eyed player's perspective, I was wondering if there might be some missing information worth adding to certain sections if they seem of general interest (I totally understand if these are way too individual sorts of concerns on my part).

First for Rainbow cards, do they produce mana that is of its constituent colors, or is it just one of those colors at a time? And, perhaps not general enough to include in the general Rainbow information page, if a card like Bronze-Arm Tribe puts a rainbow card into the mana zone, does it still enter tapped?

The other thing I would absolutely love is a brief explanation of what each line's purpose is. I love the quick blurbs about what each set added mechanically to the game and what races debuted and everything, but it's a bit bewildering stopping by stores' card sections and seeing different "timelines" of cards with different numerologies--as far as I can gather the main DM line has ceased and the new main release line is now called DMR, but then there's also more in the DMX line coming out, too, with apparently some original cards included in them, which I gather will continue being released while the main DMR line carries on where DM left off? I know there are like metal versions of cards, and sometimes altered colorations of reprinted art, and it'd be great to know what it all means.

Similarly, it'd be great if there were a section on card frames. As far as I can figure, DMR redesigned the card frames with bigger type boxes, bigger and different font therein, and spell cards now bleed into the black border in line with creature cards, and mana costs now have a circle behind them indicating which colors are required to cast it and the mana value number has ditched its old circle for civilization logos. The card frames themselves have also been redesigned, too. but art boxes have increased. So I was wondering if there could be a discussion of the redesign, and perhaps why it was done. They look neat and more streamlined--I'm thinking back to when Magic reigned in their overly-flavorful frames in 8th Edition so that the card face designs would become considerably cleaner and less detrimentally frilly--though DM naturally has more of a bombastic nature, so it does get away with a bit more of an eccentric, even if relatively scaled back, cardframe. This might not be of interest to people, but as a newcomer to DM, it was strange to be playing with the apparently "White-bordered Magic Core Set introductory frames" in my Water/Darkness Dash Deck, but then to open a booster of DMR-03 and see all these strangely different designs that for all I knew meant something relevant.

Perhaps more relevant to general interest--design notes on say the Phoenix cards or Psychic cards might be worth mentioning: it seems Phoenix cards have an altered bird-like frame and Psychic or Psychic-enabling cards have electric shocks, flippable Psychics having no left or right section of card frame. These little diversions from the standard frame add up to a quiet, perhaps even subconscious degree of confusion to me, and it would have been neat to know off the bat why a given card feels strangely aesthetically different that what my eyes have trained me to consider a Duel Masters card. Other card frame deviations worth at least noting the frame representation, like how each set's booster pack design gets a nominal mention in the set's spoiler page: Fortress and Cross Gear. Perhaps this could go in a section on the various card frames if not being just a sentence in each of the given card type's description page?

Anyway, aesthetics aside, in the OCG breakdown section  it would be great to get a quick sentence about what each set's role in the game's lifetime "continuity" is. From what I can gather, DM works like Magic, where sets are grouped in bigger chunks (Magic has "blocks" of usually three sets). DM seems to have sagas? But what's the breakdown of DMCs? Are they just released periodically collecting old cards or something? For instance, DMC-67's page  just describes the pack cover and that it was released with DMC-68, but what were they trying to accomplish in this release and with the DMC line itself? What is the DMX line for? How are all these related to this Episode One super-event-sort-of-cross-over event? I come from a Magic-playing background, so in Magic terms, is DM/DMR the main, "expert" expansion line and then the DMC/X/D lines the Core Set/Intro Deck/DuelDecks/etc. sort of peripheral, Wizards money-grab collection (I love Wizards, but it seems like they keep coming out with new non-"Canon" special collection Magic sets, you know?)?

And then finally, it would be neat if there were explanations of what the promos were given for. Similarly, what is the story behind Mode Change cards? I got a couple in some recent packs I bought, but as far as I can tell, it's just extended art with a foil treatment, but nothing functionally different about the cards.

So those are the sorts of questions I have from the perspective of a basically uninitiated player jumping back into Duel Masters after a long absence but with a Magic gaming heritage. I hope the concerns can be addressed on the site some day!

Thanks so much for all your incredible vigilance on this site, it's helping me learn to read Japanese and subsequently helping me speak a bit more. My Japanese textbook just has dialogues and vocabulary lists related to school settings and stuff, but I'd much rather be able to talk about Magic and Duel Masters than to know how to count markers and desks.

Je2010 18:54, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Was sure not expecting to read something this detailed today, and I'll only start with responding to bits of it for now. Lets see...

Regarding rainbow, I do admit, the rulings were in a bad place. While I had them hidden away in here, they were never really mentioned on How to Play or on the rainbow page. Sorry. They can tap for just 1 type of mana (eg, Gonta can give 1 fire or 1 nature). Also, no matter how the rainbow card goes into your mana zone (eg, Bronze-Arm/Natural Snare) it's tapped.

Something regarding how each DM/DMD/DMR/DMX can be possible, yes. Outside of a rulebook example (literally) I had never really added anything past booster pack and Theme Deck. Nothing regarding the ocg system.

DM was indeed the main line of booster packs, just like magic being the main core/block sets, and while it is partly a fan-term, they are "sagas". DMR-1, 2, 3 (and soon 4) continue on from where DM-39 ended. DM-36 to 39 had started adding the Psychic Creatures where DMR packs have kept added more of them and are considered the main booster pack set now.

DMC started off with Theme Decks which the lead to "power-up packs" (small packs based on improving the previous theme decks). This lead to DMC-22 where they also added "Half Decks" (small decks containing 20 cards to help build decks together) but that only was for 22/23/24. This continues through most of the other DMC sets, except for the CoroCoro, Heroes Cross, and Dramatic Wars packs.

CoroCoro (which you may already know is a main toy/anime magazine) packs (1/13/27/42/55/61/64). Each pack varies, but are mainly considered to be reprint sets. Either of recent packs or all other dm/dmc packs (dmd/dmx/dmr did not exist at the end of dmc). They also tended to add random new exclusive cards (see DMC-34), or also reprinting promos (see DMC-55).

Heroes Cross Packs and Dramatic Wars packs were really a one-off deal (Well, 2 sets each, but released together).

DMC-47 and DMC-48 gave cards with artwork/phrases of the cards anime "owner", while DMC-67 and DMC-68 were just cards based on a theme of either Fire/Dragon or Angel/Demon Commands.

DMD and DMX are a little more interesting, but easy enough to explain after the DMC above. DMD at the moment are focusing on the deck side of things "Start Dash", "Strong Metal" and the upcoming "Rising Dash". These are the usual 40 card decks that were in DMC.

DMX packs are generally like the power-up or CocoCoro packs, or even the heroes/dramatic packs releasing cards based on a theme (so far, Alien/Hunters).

Card Frames has been something that was never really discussed here, while I did do various posts about it on the Duelzone forum when it was first getting previewed (in this case, DMX-01 started to tease it). The different card frames dont change anything game-play wise, it really is just to stretch art or to look better as a design. I have a rough idea on how I can show comparisons and such, just never really made a page on it.

And...that's enough for now. Enjoy Yami Michael 05:20, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now for take 2 of my response.

Yes, regarding the card frames again Phoenix/Psychic would get special mention, and the CC/HC/VC/Mode Change probably would as well. Obviously it would probably try and display pictures of each card types card frame to show to differences between them. In the talk pages for creature/spell/fortress, I did actually did a small note of the shape of each frame...long long ago.

OCG Sets: "Saga" is an unofficial term, but yes, on the JP wiki articles for each "Saga" have a page either documenting story and new cards. I probably wouldn't put it on the list of the sets though, as even a small blurb can get messy fast. Usually a lot of the reason I dont make english versions of these pages is simply because of how detailed or how long they take to translate. If you want to see the pages, I can get links.

Originally, the list of promotional cards did have their way of obtaining them listed. It just got super long, and the page is already one of the longest pages on the wiki. It might be something that could fit into trivia though, and the JP wiki lists their source.

Mode Change Card is a page I did make recently, but yes, it is just extra/edited artwork. If you want to read http://www27.atwiki.jp/duel_masters/pages/5040.html for me to add to it a bit, it can help. Same with VC and the others. Sorry for the slow response on the second part, but welcome back to DM.

To know that I'm helping others to learn a language as well makes me happy, so yay. :) If you can play a game like this and learn more of a language, that's just awesome.

If I missed anything, tell me. Yami Michael 14:43, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

If you'd like me to translate the story and details behind the sagas, send me those links on the JP wiki and I'll do the best that I can.☆ Brandnewkid 20:24, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

http://www27.atwiki.jp/duel_masters/pages/2152.html would be the back-story pages, they have it done by each saga.

The other saga-detail pages are on http://www27.atwiki.jp/duel_masters/pages/15.html. Yami Michael 20:34, January 22, 2012 (13, 2012 (UTC)